Violence broke out as 30 people surrounded a BNP vehicle outside the Ellesmere Pub in St Helens Road in Leigh on Friday evening, said police.

Tony Ward, 48, was hit with a hammer and later treated in hospital.

One witness told BBC News: “They had hammers and they smacked the vehicle to pieces, smashed all the windows and tore off the bumper, completely decimated it.

BBC

When the economy tanks, everyone’s fed up with the political elites, and doom is on the horizon, people get serious about politics. And this causes violent right-left clashes to become more common. Luckily, this process forces people to define themselves politically, which in turn forces them to figure out what they actually think about the meta-platforms of right and left. Look for more excitement coming in England, Germany and Austria soon.

For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument — that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. — very seriously.

Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces — with Alaska reverting to Russian control.

The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency.

He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union — 15 years beforehand. “When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him,” says Prof. Panarin.

WSJ

We have covered the potential secession of US states before, but never the idea that the USA would break up. Panarin is interesting because he offers us both right-wing and left wing ideas; immigration and moral corruption stand beside economic collapse and tyrannical governments in his schema.

Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles.”

He also cited the “vulnerable political setup”, “lack of unified national laws”, and “divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions.”

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts – the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

GRU

He’s basically right. The coasts may separate because they have dominance over a certain type of economy — opinion work, entertainment, and using paper values changes to make money — while the center of America is where people still manufacture and grow things, the throwbacks. Texas may separate because it’s big and has a history of doing such things, plus has a population contra that in Washington, D.C. It’s probably not likely for 10-50 years if it does happen.

As he was quick to point out, tyranny never looks like tyranny because if it did it would be wholly ineffective. It approaches instead with kindness. Like all dualistic things, this makes it more fun to try to spot, because its character is positive in appearance but negative in effect. People who know of this reading ignore me except when they’re scared, and then they ask questions.

In the suburban-urban circle of friends — play dates, beers on the porch, volunteering at the recycling center — the overwhelming question asked is: will white nationalists/supremacists assassinate Barack Obama?

My answer is no, for a simple reason. The white power fringe is nowhere near as organized or powerful as portrayed in the media. The two “assassination attempts” so far involved out of work guys high on meth talking big with no follow through. To assassinate a presidential candidate involves planning, deception, skill and knowledge of the subject’s movements; neither of the attempts listed so far had even an ounce of any of that (but they did have several ounces of meth).

When you read in your newspaper about white supremacists, statistics are often cited about how many white supremacist groups there are in the USA. What they don’t tell you is that most of these “groups” are two guys with meth, a computer, a shotgun and a Geocities page. The far-right is in a shambles in the United States and is unlikely to issue forth a coherent statement in the next twenty years, much less manage to even approach a presidential candidate.

Why do we hear so much about white supremacy then? To put it crudely, those who we depend on for our data make their money from overstating the threat. The ADL, SPLC, One People’s Project etc get donations every time they drum up a Nazi threat to minorities and religious minorities, so they turn two guys with a shotgun and a meth habit into an army of jackbooted fanatics. The money comes in. Mission accomplished.

So my verdict is that Obama’s safe. I just don’t see these disorganized, marginalized people mounting an attack. As an addendum to that, I think the people who watch them are pretty good — the law enforcement people, the FBI and secret service. One major reason they’re good is that when your targets can’t stop taking meth and buying illegal guns, it’s easy to turn informants. “Hold up there, Jethro, this looks like an ounce of meth and an unlicensed AK-47. Saaayyy… instead of doing 30 years in Cell Block Sodomy, how about you just keep us informed on what your fellow Knights of the Burning Auslander are doing? Keep it real, buddy.” They even pay off their informants in cold hard taxpayer cash because if you pay them for any rumor, you’ll get lots of tremors if anything real is going on.

There are far-right groups to watch, but generally they’re more of the rationale not race war types. They’re just not the ones to get press. I’ll break the list down for you here.

Groovers and Fakers

• Stormfront

  Not a white supremacist group as much as a giant discussion forum with 100,000 members, most of whom appear to be receiving disability.

• Vanguard

  Not a white supremacist group so much as a humor and news publication from a pro-white angle.

• American Nazi Party

  Moribund remnants of George Lincoln Rockwell’s party.

• National Alliance

  Moribund remnants of William Luther Pierce’s party.

• National Socialist Movement

  More interested in spiffy uniforms than action.

• The Klan

  Unable to achieve any action more organized than beating up Panamanian teens.

These groups, while they achieve the overwhelming majority of the media attention on this issue, are also the least likely to take action — and if they do take action, they’re the least likely to take organized, effective action with a chance of being effective. If these people decide to assassinate Obama, the safest place will be standing next to him.

Movers and Shakers

• American Renaissance

  Scientific race separatists who do nothing more extreme than hold a yearly conference at a major hotel chain.

• Council of Conservative Citizens

  Includes an opposition to multiculturalism.

• Majority Rights

  More displeased intellectuals. Pass the arugula.

• Civic Platform

  More scientific racists, traditionalists.

• Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

  No one is certain if they’re “for real” or not.

• White Aryan Resistance

  This group has been around forever but continues to grow.

In summary, we have some groups that are violent and ineffective, and others whose goal is to spread white supremacy rhetoric at parties and play dates. The former may try to assassinate President-Elect Obama, but will surely fail; the latter will not try, but will write nasty things on the internet about him. The FBI is watching both groups. I’m fairly certain he’s safe.

Neo-Nazi William “Bill” White pleaded not guilty this morning to soliciting harm against a juror who presided in the trial of white supremacist Matt Hale.

The FBI shut down the Web site shortly before arresting White in late October. White, 31, of Roanoke, Va. is accused of using the Web site to solicit another person to injure the foreperson of the jury that convicted Hale in 2004.

White posted the home address and phone numbers for the juror on Sept. 11.

“This case is going to be the United States versus the First Amendment,” White’s lawyer Nishay Shanan said today. “This case is all about this First Amendment rights” and the government’s efforts to quiet White.

Sun Times

It will be interesting to see what happens to Bill White, Sherman Austin and Pamely Ferdin shake out. Is the government acknowledging our civilization’s decline by sitting down hard on dissenters who might enact change, instead of the usual moonbats and boneheads?

“Right now,” said Mr. White, the head of the American National Socialist Workers Party, “we’re facing the potential of a half-black candidate financed by Jewish money going up against a white candidate financed by Jewish money, who are both advocating the same policy. So you’ve got two terrible choices.”

On Friday, about three weeks after that interview, Mr. White was jailed on suspicion of making threats against a juror who was on a panel in 2004 that convicted a white supremacist of plotting to kill a federal judge.

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There have been sporadic reports throughout the country of Obama signs vandalized with swastikas, windows smashed at local Obama campaign offices and racist pamphlets dropped on doorsteps. Overt and thinly veiled racist comments about Mr. Obama have been caught on camera at rallies, and a Republican women’s group in California — the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated — has made headlines for a flier that showed Mr. Obama’s face on a faux food stamp that also included watermelon and fried chicken.

NYT

As part of a roundup of white supremacists capable of violence, apparently, Bill White was snatched.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Tom Bondurant says the charge involves alleged threats to a Chicago jury foreman in the 2004 case of Matthew Hale, who was convicted of soliciting the murder of a federal judge. Bondurant has declined to comment on the case, but says the trial will be in Chicago.

Hale was the leader of an organization which held similar neo-Nazi beliefs as White’s organization. White has said he posted information about a juror online, but he made no threats.

WSET

See more about Matt Hale below.

While there are no direct threats listed in the federal complaint against White, documents detail how White is accused of posting the juror’s name, address, and cell phone number on his website overthrow.com.

White is also accused of calling the juror to verify his information.

WSLS

Interesting.

A federal criminal complaint said the juror, identified only as Hale Juror A, received a cell phone call this past Sept. 11, from a man who asked the juror’s name, whether the juror lived at a specific address, and whether the juror had served on the panel for the Matthew Hale trial. Afterward, the caller said, “that’s all I need to know” and hung up, the complaint said.

Hale Juror A received about 50 cell phone text messages afterward, some of which were garbled, but others of which had messages in support of white supremacy, the complaint said.

Upon receiving the complaint, authorities entered Hale Juror A’s name into Google, and found a posting on a Web site, which purported to include the juror’s name, date of birth, and home address, and claimed the juror “played a key role in convicting Hale,” the complaint said. The entry also included the juror’s purported cell and office phone numbers, the name of a partner and a cat, and a color photograph, the complaint said.

CBS

Probably they’re mad that others harassed the guy. White has also posted names and addresses of the Jena 6, columnist Leonard Pitts, and several ADL staffers.

He is charged with obstruction of justice.

The FBI accuses him of threatening a federal juror from a 2004 case involving white supremacist Matthew Hale.

WSLS

Obstruction of justice?

William White of Virginia was indicted Tuesday in Chicago on charges he sought to harm the foreman of the jury that convicted white supremacist Matthew Hale in 2004 of plotting to kill U.S. District Judge Joan Lefkow. The judge had ruled against Hale in a trademark-infringement suit.

White listed the foreman’s address, phone numbers and the name of a pet cat under the heading, “The Juror Who Convicted Matt Hale,” according to the indictment.

Chicago Tribune

It’s the cat that did it.

An admitted racist since the age of 12, Matt Hale became one of the most effective and best-known leaders of the far right after he became head of the World Church of the Creator (as it was then known) in 1996. Under Hale’s PR-savvy guidance the group regularly gained publicity for its activities and for the violent incidents associated with its members. A 1999 decision by the State of Illinois to reject Hale’s application for a law license, due to his past “conduct,” is widely thought to have helped trigger a murderous shooting spree by his follower, Benjamin Smith, in which two people were killed and nine injured – all of them members of racial or religious minority groups.

In November 2002, the World Church of the Creator lost a trademark infringement lawsuit brought against it by the Te-Ta-Ma Truth Foundation, which had successfully trademarked the name “Church of the Creator” years before. A federal judge ordered Hale’s group to stop using its name, to give up its Web addresses and to turn over all printed material bearing its name. Hale refused to comply. In January 2003, upon arriving for a contempt of court hearing, he was arrested for soliciting the judge’s murder. During Hale’s incarceration, special administrative measures were imposed to reduce his ability to communicate with his followers. In April 2004, Hale was convicted of one count of solicitation of murder and three counts of obstruction of justice. Without Hale’s leadership, the Creativity Movement has fallen into decline.

ADL

Matt Hale was indicted and convicted for, when a subordinate said he might do something to Judge Judy Lefkow, basically telling him “your life is your own.” Shows how if you run a potentially dangerous organization to those in power, you need to explicitly tell others not to do illegal stuff.

If convicted, White faces a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

WBBM

There’s the readout, but that’s a maximum. Probably if he is convicted, he will get less than that.

Interestingly, Bill White did not just target jurors and anti-white-supremacist activists. He also targetted fellow white activists:

Google cache of: Charles Martel On VNN Forum, where Bill White outs a fellow White Nationalist.

Original post: The Juror Who Convicted Matt Hale on Overthrow.com, which doesn’t exist in the Wayback Machine or Google Cache, but there’s an archive of the forum post. The information is incorrect except for date of birth, cell and work numbers. Obviously, do not use this information for illegal purposes.

The indictment of Bill White (PDF) has more legal information.

We are unsure of where this case is going and will post updates.

Normal, functional members of society agree with the statements of Jokela shooter Pekka-Eric Auvinonen, although most condemn his actions. “People believe society is screwed up,” said CORRUPT agitactivist Olli Herjata, “and they see how his words have been censored, and think that any society which cannot accept valid criticism from an invalid source will not last long.”

When CORRUPT released statements supporting the shooter, they were among the first, and were misunderstood in that they offered no moralization on his actions, but pointed out repeatedly that his criticisms of society were valid. “We’re not looking for Utopia,” Herjata said. “We believe our current society is headed toward a slow doom of devolution, and we prefer a society that’s rising, making beautiful things, and in which it’s fun and not so utilitarian to live. Utilitarianism, capitalism, and school shootings are all symptoms of our lack of direction and our tolerance for morons.”

CORRUPT

Compare to Klebold and Harris at Columbine:

what the fuck is the point if onlu some people see what I am saying, there will always be ones who dont, ones that are to dumb or naive or ignorrant or just plain retarded. If I cant pound it into every single persons head then it is pointless. fuck mercy fuck justic fuck morals fuck civilized fuck rules fuck laws… DIE manmade words…people think they apply to everything when they dont/cant. theres no such thing as True Good or True Evil, its all relative to the observer. its just all nature, chemistry, and math. deal with it. but since dealing with it seems impossible for mankind, since we have to slap warning labels on nature, then… you die. burn, melt, evaporate, decay, just go the fuck away!

you see, anything and everything that happens in our world is just that, a HAPPENING. anything else is relative to the observer, but yet we try to have a “universal law” or “code” of what is good and bad and that just isnt fucking correct. we shouldn’t be allowed to do that. we arent GODS. just because we are at the top of the food chain with our technology doesnt mean we can be “judges” of nature. sure we can think what we can think what we want, but you can “think” and “believe” you can judge people and nature all you want, but you are still wrong! why should your morals apply to everyone else. “morale” is just another word. and thats it. I think we are all a waste of natural resources and should be killed off, and since humans have the ability to choose… and I’m human… I think I will choose to kill and damage as much as nature allows me to so take that.

we eventually made it to bed at about 5AM. got up at 10, went to safeway got some donouts and then I took Vodka home. the bottle of Tequilla is almost full and is in car, right by my spare tire and right by the bottle of irish cream. heh heh. I’ll have to find a spot for those. and by the way, this nazi report is boosting my love of killing even more. like the early Nazi government, my brain is like a sponge, sucking up everything that sounds cool and leaving out all that is worthless, thats how Nazism was formed and thats how I will be too!

Journal of Eric Harris

A similar idea: morality and laws are human concepts without necessary correspondence to reality, and most people stupidly follow them which makes them weak. (Despite the frequent mentions of Nazis, I don’t believe Harris and Klebold were Nazis, although clearly they were less than friendly to the idea of other races.)

If we see morality and laws as human concepts that are unrealistic, is that the fault of morality, or a morality that has drifted away from reality?